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SOCIETY Experts' scientific advice to the government was always empty. In this pandemic, too, there have been many clashes between politics and science (experts). Out of their sense of responsibility, experts have gone beyond their roles looking "recommendations that go beyond their roles. What were the experts thinking about and how they faced the novel coronavirus? What was the conflict between politics and science? How should the lessons of the novel coronavirus be used to deal with the threat of new infectious diseases? We will explore the ideal relationship between politics and science through more than 24 hours of interviews with Shigeru Omi, Mayor of Subcommittee on Novel Coronavirus Disease Control.